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The funny thing is the front page is 100% AI and all the comments on the posts are 100% anti-AI.
paxy · HN #50186269（在新分頁開啟）
Man these big AI labs have such terrible UX and integration. Signing up for this waitlist should be something you can request from your Claude chat session. You already have all of my relevant information and I'm already signed in, why are you making me type in any information. It's bizarre we have companies claiming trillion dollar valuations but somehow nobody thought to do basic integration with the existing chat service? You have access to frontier coding agents that should make this trivial and somehow you're still expecting me to type in information I've already given you. What are the product people at Anthropic doing?I tried asking Claude fron the android app if it could sign me up for the waitlist and it said that it couldn't. There's no technical reason this shouldn't be possible, it just shows a lack of care and attention to detail.
TheAceOfHearts · HN #50188319（在新分頁開啟）
I'm surprised that Claude's search is so bad. I've got months of random sessions in Claude, but if I try to search them for a phrase, it searches for any word that looks like any word within that phrase rather than the phrase itself
ChrisRR · HN #50192697（在新分頁開啟）
Drives me nuts that it's such a manual process to link my ChatGPT/Codex machines individually to each other and my Dot can only seem to connect with the chats on one linked machine at a time (before even getting to control or how completely useless the cloud VPS for the Dot is).I had a Pro 200 plan build my entire desktop environment from near scratch in C+Vulkan this last month and they can't even bother to have the bots let their Linux Electron app connect remotely to the same Electron app on Windows in the same way that already happens in reverse?
zamadatix · HN #50188709（在新分頁開啟）
Powered by Opus 5.5 is incredible.I've been using ChatGPT Dot over Meta Muse/Instinct/Grok Bot because it's been powered by Astra and I find having a personal assistant that's using a true frontier model makes a huge difference in how much I can just trust the output without doing the work again myself just to double check the results.In the past month since Dot came out, I've literally bought a car with almost the entire process handled by Dot, and am now in the process of buying a house in Kyoto, in a language I don't speak at all, coordinating with an obscene amount of moving parts and logistics, flawlessly handled entirely by Dot, from finding the home to scheduling visits with real estate agents to finding judicial scriveners and getting a hanko stamp and scheduling inspections and applying for insurance and all sorts of insane tasks that would have taken infinitely longer and been unbelievably painful on my own.So, so excited to see what Duet looks like with Opus 5.5. Going to try switching over as soon as I get off the waitlist.Curious how other people have found these agents as well - always love hearing and seeing what other people have done with these things and how to improve my flow even better. I feel like I'm very close to being able to essentially offload every single task I do on a computer to an agent like this.
intenex · HN #50186257（在新分頁開啟）
My first thought is that, before LLMs, getting out of your comfort zone to work with folks in Kyoto in their language would have been an important step in getting yourself ready to live there successfully. It would have been difficult and awkward, but that's part of the process. Or it was. I wish you luck once you get there.
monitron · HN #50186387（在新分頁開啟）
> in Kyoto, in a language I don't speak at all, coordinating with an obscene amount of moving parts and logistics, flawlessly handled entirely by DotI wonder if the folks in Japan would agree with that assessment. They would absolutely not tell you to your face if it were less flawless than you think: that would be rude!
StilesCrisis · HN #50189438（在新分頁開啟）
I suspect that Dots and Duet are very high margin drivers for the labs. Personal assistant chat sessions don’t have to be realtime, so workloads can be scheduled on low priority batches and be waited if higher value work comes into a queue.Inference providers are always trying to fill inference batches and having a stream of low priority requests can help pack batches that might have gone empty, without raising the latency of higher priority requests such as live chat sessions.While Dot and Duet certainly need to be useful to work out as products, I think the gross margin mechanics are just as interesting.
ttul · HN #50186527（在新分頁開啟）
> workloads can be scheduled on low priority batchesI feel like there's enormous potential still uncovered in the coding agent space for such highly-discounted "spot" style capacity. Give me a way to have agents continuously crawl over my codebase looking for bugs, come up with test cases that prove the bug, open a PR. I don't care if it takes 12 hours to find something that would take 5 minutes if prompted with "on-demand" / "high-priority" requests, because I'm not prompting for it directly, I'm not aware of how much time it takes, all I see is continuous improvement.
solatic · HN #50192872（在新分頁開啟）
It might become a triple-whammy benefit for them. More efficient compute, as you said, but also a bot capability creates a better moat around their infra ecosystem and the amount of training data that can come from a bot ecosystem is significant.Models are becoming increasingly interchangeable but setting up and maintaining (!!) the ecosystem still takes expertise. Not everyone wants to host their own MicroVM infra and would happily pay Anthropic/Grok/OpenAI to do it for them.
misterbwong · HN #50187184（在新分頁開啟）
As much as I would love to make the most of these tools, I am not confident that yielding control of my personal data won't hurt me - and this seems like table-stakes, based on the type of value everyone is getting from them.I dont even know what should be private anymore - if US federal agencies can just buy ad data, join it with Flock, sprinkle Instagram in there, and inner join Social Security dump from doge, do I just give up and put the sex toys in the parlor window? Am I one OpenAI-sued-by-a-newspaper away from giving up the ghost?
threecheese · HN #50188470（在新分頁開啟）
I'm personally with you.I'd never give any company this much access to my personal data and daily life. It is beyond creepy. Yes, they can probably join the data buts it's another thing to open the door to it.
YmFzZTY0ZGFkZHk · HN #50191328（在新分頁開啟）
I thought you were going to give up and put the sex toys in something else. Glad you are only going to put them in the parlor window.
tyrabound · HN #50198290（在新分頁開啟）
Whilst I appreciate the impact of AI and its long-term implications for humanity as we know it, I am getting kinda tired of seeing so many AI-related headlines here on HN. Perhaps it's just me, but I feel like every day the front page is filled with mostly LLM-related announcements.
herodoturtle · HN #50186245（在新分頁開啟）
That's like if you were in the 90s/00s and you're complaining about having to hear about this "internet" thing all the time.
giwook · HN #50186388（在新分頁開啟）
This thing apparently has an integration with 1Password. Am I hopelessly out of touch in this brave new AI world, or is giving an LLM access to your password manager the mother of all bad ideas?
roarcher · HN #50186284（在新分頁開啟）
If done correctly, the agent will only be able to request that passwords be filled, but the secrets will only be handled by the password manager and browser extension, which will be able to set some security boundaries and make checks on which domains are allowed.If your issue is allowing agents to use your credentials and take actions on your behalf, then that is a separate question.
doctoboggan · HN #50186468（在新分頁開啟）
1Password has had vaults for a very long time now. You can also key API credentials specifically to a vault. I've been letting agents access _their own_ vault for awhile.
aliasxneo · HN #50186391（在新分頁開啟）
I found Dots to be both worse than I expected and better. Worse in every way when asking it to do anything coding related (just kept running into issue after issue) but very nice as a "Monitor my communication channels for me" tool.It's surfaced a few buried/filtered email messages that actually were important and I like having a second set of eyes watching incoming messages.That said, for only that task, I could probably make my own tool I just haven't had the time to play with it.Looking forward to checking out Duet once it launches as I prefer Anthropic models over OpenAI and that's where I already have a bigger subscription.
joshstrange · HN #50186228（在新分頁開啟）
Yeah, it caught an AWS bill on a random account I had made earlier in the month that was pushing $50+. That's been about the most useful thing so far.
aliasxneo · HN #50186410（在新分頁開啟）
Makes sense though. The use case for these always-on assistants (Muse, Dot, Instinct) isn’t coding and complex technical projects but more benign stuff like email and appointments.
paxy · HN #50186303（在新分頁開啟）
These AI companies appear to be "shipping their org chart".Shouldn't this just be native to Claude, not a separate app/UX, as well as using the latest model (not Opus)?
alberth · HN #50186193（在新分頁開啟）
I think this is a direct competitor to Dot and Muse, I've been using Muse more recently and it's surprising how little context/memory managment you ahve to do when it's just one long thread.
moecables · HN #50186361（在新分頁開啟）
Conway’s Law strike again.
mrheosuper · HN #50190865（在新分頁開啟）
So again only for US?Maybe they should use Opus/Fable to findout how to release to the world?
krzyk · HN #50192897（在新分頁開啟）
Maybe the EU should figure out how to attract businesses so they want to release there.
buzzerbetrayed · HN #50195772（在新分頁開啟）
Can anyone explain these to me? What does it do in practice that ChatGPT or Claude by itself does not. I look at it but it really doesn't click.Paint me a real world picture.
jstummbillig · HN #50193429（在新分頁開啟）
Maybe you could frame this as day to day tasks and events going from a polling-based system to more of an event-driven system? I have no idea how good these products are today but I would love to use a local version running of this at some point.If you think about it, a lot of things require initative by a human (I need to call my doctor to make an appointment; I need to check the railway service app to see if my train has any delays; I need to look at the weather report and remember to grab an umbrella). The value that these assistants offer is to remove the need for action from the human (Duet made an appointment with my doctor and put it into my calendar; Duet warned me about the delay before I actually got to the train station; Duet warns me about rain before I even leave the house).Kinda like how rich people have an assistant that does a bunch of stuff for them. I guess in the end this is mostly about freeing headspace.Of course, as developers we are able to build this for a while now, but most people are not.
floriangoebel · HN #50195311（在新分頁開啟）
Well, I guess it is like OpenClaw which is always on and doing tasks based on timers, your prompts, hooks or its own decisions
agnishom · HN #50193569（在新分頁開啟）
> "Claude Duet is a proactive agent that understands what needs your attention. It takes on tasks of all sizes, keeps working while you’re away, and waits for your ok when it matters."More hyperbole from a company angling for IPO gold. It would serve all existing customers well if they had a decent customer service, and a 'frontier model' that could respond to queries with evidence by default, instead of just making stuff up unless user is on guard all the time. Carrying the stated premise for more than an hour would be a nice touch too.
mirmor23 · HN #50196282（在新分頁開啟）
I run an personal AI agent locally (hermes), and use a combination of local models and whatever model I can get for a reasonable price (usually deepseek). After using it for a couple months, I'm converted. They're so good, the more you use it, the more useful it is; you internalise more of what it could be used for. It runs so many boring parts of my life, leaving me with more time to spend with my family. I liken it to release of the first iPhone; it didn't invent any new technology, but packaged different bits of tech together in a way that was consumer friendly. I think we'll look back at OpenClaw/Hermes/Muse/Instinct in the same way. I do worry about using purely cloud based offerings like Muse, I reckon there is a market for someone to package an consumer AI agent that lives on your home network.
sksksk · HN #50187726（在新分頁開啟）
ok but what are the legitimate use cases you have for this? We were promised something similar with Google Home et al but they are glorified light switches and timers in my home. I run a homelab, I have technical ambitions, but I cannot think of a single thing in my life that I would rather talk to a local AI about than just do it myself or sit down and prompt Claude manually for.
tills13 · HN #50187761（在新分頁開啟）
Can you give some ideas of what you use it for? I'm amenable to the idea of automating some things I just don't know what I'm missing. Or using it for things I never thought of before.
dlisboa · HN #50188272（在新分頁開啟）
I feel like the link to be used here should be https://claude.com/resources/articles/claude-duet instead.
jasonjmcghee · HN #50186281（在新分頁開啟）
I agree, this is what was under their X post -- I don't think I can change it anymore though sadly.
kuberwastaken
投稿者 · HN #50186335（在新分頁開啟）These "always on" agents seem popular but I have yet to find a use case for one.Anyone care to give your top 5 use cases for which these are better than an on-demand agent?
howunfortunate · HN #50186324（在新分頁開啟）
One use case I've been having a lot of success with is using Muse's browser use capabilities to cut through annoying web UIs. I subscribe to a meal delivery service but the web app is slow and I often forget to pick the next week's meals (being stuck with unappetizing defaults), so now I have Muse crawl through the app weekly and surface the options I care about (taking into account my dietary preferences). I think most people have a few places where they could replace a habitual multi-step flow with a single button/prompt like this.Another great use case for me has been richer search. I'm looking for a new apartment to rent right now so I gave Muse all my (long) list of requirements and preferences and every day it searches Craigslist and Facebook marketplace to see if any new places pop up that fit my needs. It only pings me if something worthwhile comes up. I've stopped short of actually having it email the landlords and arrange showings for me, but that's theoretically possible.I've been using Muse for all of the above, but I'm trying to move off of it onto a self hosted hermes to avoid giving Zuck the keys to my personal life. I've really been inspired by this personal super app blog post and I'm trying to get my personal agent to create some custom UIs on demand for the above use cases instead of just interacting via a chat window.https://wilhelm.substack.com/p/building-a-personal-super-app...
UFOFlyer · HN #50188093（在新分頁開啟）
I use Muse. So far the biggest value to me is 1) being a more "squishy" reminder service than a typical task tracker, because it can at its own discretion raise stuff to my attention and 2) attempting things that I normally wouldn't have the energy to do on my own. It doesn't always succeed, but a 50/50 chance of it even getting done is still an improvement in my book. Things like 311-ing small problems I see on walks, grabbing free games from EGS, etc.
dgunay · HN #50189151（在新分頁開啟）
I have been dreading this day. A lot of us are still employed because so much of the magic has only been available to Claude Code and Desktop user. Now, every "normie" is going to start getting these boosts, cutting us out of the picture.
consumer451 · HN #50193963（在新分頁開啟）
I doubt this will happen anytime soon. 90% of people are still using the free versions of ChatGPT (or maybe Claude) for the most basic tasks.This reminds me of a post by karpathy: https://x.com/karpathy/status/2109361546505966046
gxenos95 · HN #50194008（在新分頁開啟）
dot, bot, and duet, all announced in a month. you couldn't make up this level of industry lockstep. now all we need is google bit and microsoft ditty.
devindotcom · HN #50186409（在新分頁開啟）
It really isn't that novel of an application. *claw and hermes have been around for some months, some Chinese providers offered this (minimax has on-demand hosted while z.ai has autoClaw BYOC). This just tosses it into a VM with some built in tools to do typical things. Perplexity computer has been around for almost a year and is similar.This is just the big US guys fighting for attention (It is all you need after all)
saratogacx · HN #50190772（在新分頁開啟）
And Google already had "Duet AI" before Gemini. :)
cyclopeanutopia · HN #50193120（在新分頁開啟）
I've been running most likely a proto version of this using Claude code and cron jobs to help me manage my online jewelry business. It's an idea that is pretty game changing, and really pay dividends if most of your business is handled online with APIs and web apps. Also, using the Claude in chrome extension greatly expands the possibilities of tasks you can hand off. I like my hacked together version, because Claude code uses locally stored memories, which I feel is important for me to remain in control of the situation and give me an easy ability to try other agents in the future.
doctoboggan · HN #50186428（在新分頁開啟）
I’ve been trying vanilla Codex with remote control running on a MacBook 24/7. Computer use enabled, browser with logged in sites. Giving it tasks from my phone.It’s been nice overall, but Astra (or its harness?) isn’t particularly proactive and autonomous. You have to kick it in the butt for every step. Written it up here: https://ivan.berlin/notes/chatgpt-personal-assistant/Looking forward to this new Duet thing!
katspaugh · HN #50186812（在新分頁開啟）
Any reason you're not using ChatGPT Dots which is also using Astra (and also unlimited free usage this month) and precisely designed to solve the proactive/autonomous issue? https://openai.com/index/introducing-dots/
intenex · HN #50186883（在新分頁開啟）
Fun fact: OpenAI Dot and Claude Duet are both canonically pronounced "doot"
wren6991 · HN #50194555（在新分頁開啟）
What I really want is a fully offline voice assistant that can do anything on an isolated Android or Linux OS, and costs just a shy $200 above the device's actual cost, but it must be fully capable of working offline. I'll pay for an offline-first model.
giancarlostoro · HN #50187569（在新分頁開啟）
with what functionality?
DANmode · HN #50188179（在新分頁開啟）
A notable distinction between Duet and Meta Muse/OpenAI Dots is the lack of quirky anthropomorphic branding. As a result, the use cases are more clear/more professionally-oriented as they don't rely on you creating a magic pet/BFF that does whatever you want.
minimaxir · HN #50186653（在新分頁開啟）
That entire demo feels like it's serving a persona that would already have an exec assistant or other staff doing these things.
nunez · HN #50187392（在新分頁開啟）
This entire demo is so incredibly techbrained I had to laugh. These people are really unable to get out of their own heads."What can you use it for?" "Uhh....yes, asking investors for more money"
rozap · HN #50187733（在新分頁開啟）
Yeah, but now they can fire those people. :/
hundchenkatze · HN #50187631（在新分頁開啟）
So is this the new Anthropic "model" that was supposed to be able to read users' minds, about which there were all sorts of rumors [1] this week? And whoever leaked it misunderstood that it wasn't a new model at all, just a new product using Opus 5.5?[1]: https://www.theinformation.com/newsletters/ai-agenda/anthrop...
morningsam · HN #50194043（在新分頁開啟）
I appreciate how Anthropic keeps the Pro tier priced around OpenAI's Plus tier. The extra tier with OpenAI invites additional product subscription gates. Functionally, Anthropic will have a frontier model driving a personal agent available a 1/5 the cost of OpenAI. Astra may be a bigger model, but is there a meaningful qualitative difference between a personal agent running Opus 5.5 vs GPT6 Astra?
x187463 · HN #50194583（在新分頁開啟）
I don't know how to judge the choice of an icon without a face. Honestly, grokbot's is beautiful, while the ones for dots are, let's say, a kind of reinterpretation. To me, a personal agent has to have a "face"
stemonteduro · HN #50197182（在新分頁開啟）
What on earth is going on with the 'music' on the demo video, makes me dizzy listening to it https://youtu.be/Fb-68zqcSVs
free_lunch · HN #50196707（在新分頁開啟）
sure seems like we were the first humans to listen to it
trial3 · HN #50197078（在新分頁開啟）
It's an OpenAI Dot/Open Claw competitor. Doesn't really seem to differentiate itself meaningfully at first glance.If I want a persistent agent, I'm still not sure why I'd pick one where I'm locked into a specific model family. Having it "just work" is nice! But this feels like a product area where not being locked into one garden is more important and the net gains are greater.
ZeroCool2u · HN #50186226（在新分頁開啟）
Competition on what to do with it, not on pricing: Dot is free (assuming you've a subscription), Duet isn't. I'd not want precious tokens to be wasted by some random polling Duet may be doing, all while using Opus as its underlying agent.
WinstonSmith84 · HN #50194394（在新分頁開啟）
> I'm still not sure why I'd pick one where I'm locked into a specific model familyI'm guessing mostly because they subsidize a lot of the costs
csallen · HN #50186453（在新分頁開啟）
What is Instinct's future when its core product is commoditized and provided near-free-of-charge by OpenAI, Meta, and now Anthropic?
danielklnstein · HN #50186210（在新分頁開啟）
Same as any other AI startup. Make a big enough splash and get acquired (or acquihired).
paxy · HN #50186366（在新分頁開啟）
These will be what replaces employees. One day you update the model from opus 5.5 to x.5, and it can just do a full job.
mikert89 · HN #50186601（在新分頁開啟）
But what kind of job would that be?
bartvk · HN #50187646（在新分頁開啟）
Interesting to see how AI collaboration tools are evolving! The real value will be how well they fit into existing workflows and help people get things done faster, not just generate more output. Curious to see how Claude Duet develops.
vinaygundeti18 · HN #50194248（在新分頁開啟）
I wish it interfaced via iMessage. I don't want to train the family on yet another app.We run a Hermes agent on an old MacBook Air.We invited the agent "Rosey" to our family chat, a group chat with my wife and me ("The Baddie Boardroom"); she and I also make requests solo.She's hilarious. She does our meal planning and grocery shopping at Walmart via BrowserMCP. She mocks our large purchases of weekly protein powder and my love for sardines.She updates the kids' chore chart on our Skylight frame every morning. She adds/updates calendar events via icalbuddy cli. Reads balances from credit cards for budgeting.I've even invited Rosey in to chats with friends when we were debating something.iMessage has been the perfect interface fit for us. We have iphones. The kids have ipads. They all know how to use iMessage.
aantix · HN #50186354（在新分頁開啟）
FYI, I've had no problem letting Claude code read iMessage and send iMessage from my Mac logged into iCloud. The first time you ask it to do that, macOS will throw up a security prompt asking for permission for Terminal.app to access the data, but its something I've been using a lot recently.
doctoboggan · HN #50186512（在新分頁開啟）
They don’t let things connect to iMessage because they don’t want spam bots.
MisterMunchkin · HN #50186412（在新分頁開啟）
Can these things take any action you would in a browser without getting trivially blocked? I just bought a 128GB rtx spark to implement this in house for a family of 4. I have observed you don’t really need high tps to achieve things like “book a ticket for Dune 3 for 4 where the seats are together, preference for near the middle vertically and horizontally).The rtx has decent prefill speed and enough memory for both context and using a dense model to prevent hallucinations resulting in poor browser calling.Ironically the relatively low tps makes the real flow very akin to what I actually would do in terms of speed so I doubt it could be detected as chrome web driver isn’t used.
74948494i4 · HN #50188133（在新分頁開啟）
This will be pointless unless the overzealous guardrails are fixed
loaderchips · HN #50194848（在新分頁開啟）
Love LLMs, use them extensively, but they cannot intuit what actions they can take on my behalf that I will or will not approve of, and therefore I will never use one of these things.
jesse_dot_id · HN #50187462（在新分頁開啟）
I relate to that, but do you feel it's a fools errand to try and codify your preferences into a list of rules? You'd really only need a 'yes list' for things it can be allowed to do and have it not do anything else
TomGarden · HN #50187537（在新分頁開啟）
These agent assistants are really appealing to the optimist within me, but I have a hard time making the trust leap. What are people using these "personal assistant" agents for?
charlesabarnes · HN #50186165（在新分頁開啟）
Organizing photos. Compiling hockey schedules. Giving out my home address to strangers.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/meta-agent-muse-conc...
Waterluvian · HN #50186218（在新分頁開啟）
Not using assistants, but I had it do quarterly reporting. Gave it the password to my webbased accounting software which does not have an API. Told it to write a CLI for itself to access the administration. I only did the bank exports to CSV. Told it to look in my Thunderbird mailbox to find invoices and let it do the quarterly reporting. Main issue: Many foreign vendors don't use invoices, which means my Dutch, invoice-centric accounting software kinda sucks for international import-heavy operations.
edg5000 · HN #50195007（在新分頁開啟）
I've tried the 3 labs versions of this:- OpenAI: it’s 9pm you promised this person this note by EOD. Here’s what it should say. You want to draft it or me? (Wow yes I missed that, thank you)- Claude: hey you logged into Docusign, is that ok?- Grok: I tried to run a slack search and accidentally sent 3 messages to #general. Just like yesterday.
trjordan · HN #50197938（在新分頁開啟）
I don't trust Claude as personal assistant yet because too many websites block it from reading their contents, leaving Claude to guess and rely on very indirect sources. Performing actions online is even worse, with CAPTCHAs and whatnot.It has made enough mistakes in this area that I now have a standing instruction (the only one) to always loudly warn whenever the official source for something couldn't be fetched.
BoppreH · HN #50188751（在新分頁開啟）
I have it use `playwright-cli` which runs a headless Chrome session, with relatively structural representations of websites without the HTML bloat, plus image viewing options. The builin web fetch tool indeed seems blocked. Headless Chrome is just Chrome, you can't block it. I think even the "Are you human" checkboxes are okay, since LLMs are good at coordinate guessing and initiating clicks.
edg5000 · HN #50194959（在新分頁開啟）
You should consider using something like Exa or Firecrawl.
pram · HN #50188805（在新分頁開啟）
I suspect we'll see (or what I want to see) is like an independent personal datahub and browser MCP which the assistant uses to conduct business as yourself so you have full visibility and control how it accesses your data or when it can use your cookies/credentials.Also the dots/muse/etc browsers all are seemingly getting blocked so federating it out would seem to solve that problem too.
siliconc0w · HN #50188184（在新分頁開啟）
My brain reading that thought it was called Claudette a couple times and now I can't not call it that.Guess I know what I will name my Duet when it comes out, lol.
hmokiguess · HN #50187405（在新分頁開啟）
Close enough. Welcome back, OpenClaw!
andai · HN #50188726（在新分頁開啟）