Meta ordered to pay $25B penalty in New Mexico Cambridge Analytica case
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I’m fairly sure that most other states have already entered into an agreement preventing them from prosecuting about Cambridge analytica in exchange for a couple hundred million each (IANAL)
Carson_Cummins · HN #50189185（在新分頁開啟）
For those who haven't seen, the New Mexico Attorney General released tapes of the depositions for Zuckerberg [1] and Sandberg [2].1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UC2ie0XIE2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j4N-3ZkB4
stillpointlab · HN #50187665（在新分頁開啟）
30:30 minsThey really got her with the 'Explain how an API works' interview question ha
alpineman · HN #50193849（在新分頁開啟）
The comments on Zuck's are funnyTypical "lawyer is so stupid, she's asking dumb questions, repetitive questions"Yeah, people - it's a deposition. Getting Zuck to blab is what they're looking for
alex1138 · HN #50189294（在新分頁開啟）
All the states that participated in the class action settlement got $725 million combined.New Mexico decided to go it alone and gets $25 billion.Great timing for the AG who’s up for reelection on November 3 (even though it was the previous AG who made the call).
bananamogul · HN #50185490（在新分頁開啟）
The class action was private, not initiated by states.There have been many different lawsuits and fines over Cambridge Analytica.$50 million settlement with California.$100 million to SEC for misleading investors.$5 billion in FTC fines.Many different international fines.$725 million in a private class action lawsuit.$17 billion in a multi-state child and teen safety lawsuit, part of which is earmarked for Cambridge Analytica claims.(You are probably confusing the last two).Importantly all of these were paid. This $25 billion one is still just a press release. Local juries issue such crazy rulings all the time (why wouldn’t they, they have nothing to lose) and it is always struck down or massively reduced by a higher court.
paxy · HN #50189288（在新分頁開啟）
>New Mexico decided to go it alone and gets $25 billion.No because that's still subject to appeal, unlike the settlement. "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush", etc.
gruez · HN #50185658（在新分頁開啟）
Meta will surely appeal, and will likely get the fine reduced to like 10% of that. But for comparison, in the recent multistate settlement over social media addiction by 47 states for $17 billion, there was a provision in that settlement to get $459 million [1] in exchange for releasing Meta from any state claims related to Cambridge Analytica. So those 47 states got $459 million for what New Mexico will likely get a few billion for.[1] https://www.techpolicy.press/the-459-million-cambridge-analy...
notfried · HN #50187806（在新分頁開啟）
Meta already got it to ~10%, but is trying to get it to ~1%. During the trial, it was determined that the total fine based on all violations to be $219Bhttps://www.neowin.net/news/new-mexico-judge-slashes-metas-p...
eks391 · HN #50190354（在新分頁開啟）
I remember long ago, you could fully hide your profile from ANY type of search. Now you cannot. I also remember long before they started scanning your face, they added an opt-out checkbox, I'm pretty sure this disappeared for a long time. You know that feature where they'd auto-suggest who to tag? Yea, you could bar them from using your face for that, now Facebook has taken a steaming pile of... on your privacy at levels I've never seen them pull before.
giancarlostoro · HN #50187438（在新分頁開啟）
With regards to facial recognition, the opt-out checkbox disappeared because the functionality was fully scrapped in 2021. [1] The feature where they auto-suggest who to tag hasn't existed in 5 years, I'm not surprised they don't have a checkbox anymore.[1]. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/technology/facebook-facia...
dado3212 · HN #50197699（在新分頁開啟）
Just waiting for the orange one to say New Mexico is socialist and change the name because we cant have a state named after illegals.
MiroslavPokorny · HN #50188131（在新分頁開啟）
This seems to be a consequence of the Cambridge Analytica. Could it be that we'll see some consequences?
ArcHound · HN #50186375（在新分頁開啟）
Absurdity. Advertising claims become legally binding, and we multiply "offenses" by distribution.Let's apply that throughout the economy. All companies are now bankrupt. All stocks are liquidated and the remaining value (such that it is) is now distributed to lawyers and some to the people.We've lost our minds.
HardCodedBias · HN #50196759（在新分頁開啟）
Yes, I remember an article in the Guardian about this, around 2015-6Facebook does this. People think 'privacy' as a complaint and perhaps think about advertising on FB but straight up, settings get reset (including posts suddenly becoming Public. or graph search.)Why? Because Mark Zuckerberg does not believe in it. In 2010 he said privacy was no longer a social norm. Not only does he himself not believe in it, but he can't keep it to himself. He knows 'better than you'. So, he outright changes it himself or instructs his engineers to do itIt's like with Free Basics in India. You could, theoretically, support it. Many didn't, it was a form of digital colonialism. But let's say you happened to think it was a good idea. It didn't matter either way: Facebook sent emails on users' behalf to TRAIThat's who Zuckerberg is. A sociopath, a criminal, someone who knows nothing but how to steal
alex1138 · HN #50187710（在新分頁開啟）
I've never understood why Meta is being pursued over this and not Cambridge Analytica. I thought CA were the ones misusing the app system.
philipallstar · HN #50193332（在新分頁開啟）
Because the suit is about whether Facebook was acting with an ordinary level of operational care or if they were negligent.Facebook claims they were deceived by Cambridge Analytica, but the lawsuit asks the question of whether or not Facebook acted with the kind of safeguards that a reasonable organization would have used.For example, if my safety deposit box gets stolen by a thief at a bank, but the bank used a cheap Master padlock on the door, the bank could be held liable for negligence since no ordinary bank by a reasonable person’s judgment would use such a bad lock to secure a vault.Yes, it was the thief’s fault, but the bank having unreasonably below-standard security was a proximal cause to the theft.
Grombobulous · HN #50195461（在新分頁開啟）
There are I imagine laws about protecting your customers data and not allowing apps and plugins to for example steal every connection people have on the platform. CA were not "hacking" Facebook they were using the platform as is and if that allowed these types of abuses the court clearly determined they had broken the law.
andy_ppp · HN #50193697（在新分頁開啟）
12% of annual revenue (~200B for 2025). Not a small amount.
binarymax · HN #50187516（在新分頁開啟）
~50% of 2018 revenue, which is when the CA scandal was happening.
loeg · HN #50188201（在新分頁開啟）
It's also the equivalent of:- 16% of New Mexico's GDP- ~200% of New Mexico's annual budget- $29,620 per household in New MexicoAbsolutely bananas.
marcusverus · HN #50197178（在新分頁開啟）
It’s hilarious that one of the outcomes of Meta cozying up with the current administration to escape scrutiny at the Federal level has been 50+ state attorneys general prosecuting them instead.
paxy · HN #50187849（在新分頁開啟）
Stock seems to have shot up ~7% aftermarket so just cost of business.
hawk_ · HN #50187351（在新分頁開啟）
They beat revenue expectations, and earnings per share was ok, and they guided for even higher revenue next quarter above estimates ofc.Somehow Meta is making money despite starting to loose DAUs now. So honestly I don't quite understand what's what, also most of the big income is from Ads and biggest Ads spenders are startups and companies heavily dependent on VCs and AI... So it's definitely somewhat circular, and Ads is the most recession affected business so a down turn in markets will cycle through it.But ngl if all the earnings are this ok then hyperscalers stock might not crash this quarter, well then again I didn't think they would but a person could dream.I am quite bullish on AI, but would prefer the fluff to get out of the way asap, otherwise don't want it to happen at a bad time, and too many people get caught pants down.
minraws · HN #50187414（在新分頁開啟）
Well Meta is reacting to all the costs by just starting to charge for things previously free, like sharing links.I suspect they are now entering the Earthlink/AOL phase where they squeeze every last dime out of the confused and abandoned senior citizens left on the platform until they die off.
lrvick · HN #50187622（在新分頁開啟）
I agree with the rest of this super well-informed thread that we need to remove corporate limited liability so we can send executives who break the law like SBF and Elizabeth Holmes to prison. It's so wrong that we can't send these people to prison when they break the law!
nfw2 · HN #50191600（在新分頁開啟）
What law do you believe Meta broke?
heaney-555 · HN #50193690（在新分頁開啟）
25B is not a small fine. Finally an amount that should make them think twice their harming decisions
jeanloolz · HN #50187494（在新分頁開啟）
The problem is that it's not a fine for the directors, it's a fine for the company itself.It won't trickle down to the directors' salaries, so then there's no reason for them to act any differently in future.Directors of companies should be personally financially liable for these types of penalties.
OnlineTux · HN #50189161（在新分頁開啟）
When the appeals reach the Supreme Court, if the S.C. should rule against Meta, Zuck will probably remember "wait a minute, I wiped my ass with $25B this morning, I'll just pay the fine, who cares."
chihuahua · HN #50189211（在新分頁開啟）
This is incredibly almost $12,000 per New Mexican resident. I wonder how much they will actually pocket after attorney's fees and appeals?
zuminator · HN #50189422（在新分頁開啟）
If this is out of the NM AG, they're probably using house attorneys -- no fees. It is likely to be appealed and reduced in appeal.
loeg · HN #50189776（在新分頁開啟）
Holy! This might be the first time I've seen a meta fine that actually feels substantial enough for them to change behaviours. That's impressive.
bilekas · HN #50187630（在新分頁開啟）
Experts claim META has a strong chance of getting penalty lowered on appealhttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/meta-has-strong-chance-gett...
DivingForGold · HN #50194564（在新分頁開啟）
> “This ruling, and the Attorney General’s approach to this enforcement, makes it all but impossible to do business in the state of New Mexico,” Mahoney said in the statement.Looks like New Mexico wins in multiple ways if this is upheld.
burnto · HN #50190579（在新分頁開啟）
That's just New Mexico. I wonder when will the other states step up, and hit them with more fines?
akulbe · HN #50187502（在新分頁開啟）
Will Meta be able to apeal?
MASNeo · HN #50187743（在新分頁開啟）
People are not notifying this nearly enough, but Meta is still going up and at it in Brazil [1] during one of the most polarized elections I've ever seen during my time.Things got so ridiculous that Meta's AI WhatsApp companion would let you generate one candidate's posters, but flat-out deny you the same prompt for the opposition. Of course the bias skewed heavily towards benefiting the alt-right, pro-MAGA party.[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/meta-employees-said-l...
nidnogg · HN #50187482（在新分頁開啟）
The book Careless People paints a picture of Zuck & Co that should cause anyone to hesitate to touch any of their products. It's a shame so much of the world runs on WhatsApp. It's a bigger shame that they were ever allowed to acquire WhatsApp in the first place.
ram1500natrluvr · HN #50188406（在新分頁開啟）
Thanks for continuing to talk about this. It's ridiculous how much the US meddles in the elections of others and acts all :surprised-pikachu: when Russia sorta kinda meddles a bit in ONE election of their own.The Bolsanaro family is ofc a close ally of Trumphttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/21/battle-meta-al...We even have Meta employees calling the meddling out: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/10/16/meta-employees-...
culi · HN #50187576（在新分頁開啟）
Sure, but where's the jail time for executives. This may be a bit more than the usual slap on the wrist, but its hardly consequence that actually matters to the likes of Meta. This will keep happening until those at the top are held personally responsible for the crimes they sign off on.
j_horvat · HN #50187773（在新分頁開啟）
As long as a corporation is a shield to commit crimes with impunity, nothing will change. We really need to reassess this perverse concept of a corporation where you can simply commit crimes against people, personally profit, yet never be personally held responsible, let alone accountable.The same thing is causing problems in the financial markets right now, with massive zombie company portfolios of various private equity firms still paying out fees to the managers to siphon off the debt and assets of investors.
tyrabound · HN #50189748（在新分頁開啟）
> where's the jail time for executivesOur American obsession with jail is nuts. The violation at hand was “misleading state citizens about how it safeguards and collects user data.”Lots of folks at Meta should be criminally investigated. But not for this, not unless someone willfully signed off on a lie.> This will keep happening until those at the top are held personally responsiblePerfect is the enemy of the good.
JumpCrisscross · HN #50188034（在新分頁開啟）
Any reason why META surged after hours? is that related to this news?
yodsanklai · HN #50188010（在新分頁開啟）
Q3 earnings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50187025
loeg · HN #50188182（在新分頁開啟）
Woah, I remember hearing about the Cambridge Analytica stuff for the first time in 2020 from watching "The Social Dilemma". I'm surprised there is still legal fall out from that. Also 15% interest until the fine is paid in full is wild. Wonder where they are going to get the cash given how much has been going to AI.
ctrlaltdileep · HN #50189450（在新分頁開啟）
$25B penalty that’s like a month of their revenue. This is like me paying a month’s salary as penalty - it’s not pleasant but it would definitely not impact my life style.
victorbuilds · HN #50192088（在新分頁開啟）
They will appeal, as usual, and never pay that.
deepsun · HN #50190562（在新分頁開啟）
I rarely cry but my eyes just got wet. It feels so good.
vvpan · HN #50187792（在新分頁開啟）
This will be successfully appealed. It is an outrageous verdict for something with zero actual harms.
cm2012 · HN #50190037（在新分頁開啟）
Looks like Zuck having a HARD time taking accountability for any of the eventual social _consequences_ of his social _network_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UC2ie0XIE
lasky · HN #50191410（在新分頁開啟）
best quote by Sheryl Sandberg:"[FB] is given data by it's users, rather than us collecting it."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j4N-3ZkB4&t=262s
lasky · HN #50191529（在新分頁開啟）
finally some proper penalty OOMs
ThouYS · HN #50187326（在新分頁開啟）
That penalty is almost 1/3 of a Metaverse. That's got to sting!
idlewords · HN #50187615（在新分頁開啟）
Previously when the EU has ordered US companies to pay penalties of a "few billion EUR" for trade abuse there has typically been a lot of jingoistic outrage here. This one will be interesting to watch.
lysace · HN #50185450（在新分頁開啟）
Because the EU haters only hate the EU so that Americans don’t look across the ocean and see that the government can work in favor to the average person.If they did that, they’d demand universal healthcare, paid parental leave, mandatory paid time off, higher agricultural health and animal welfare standards, tighter pollution standards, better antitrust and open markets regulation (e.g. alternative app stores, standardized phone chargers, right to repair) affordable university education, etc.
Grombobulous · HN #50195616（在新分頁開啟）
America fines their companies left and right but won't allow other countries to do for the same wrongdoings.Its very easy to understand the motives but other countries lack back bone to ban these companies
gsky · HN #50186117（在新分頁開啟）
1791000795 | New Mexico wants Meta to pay $40B in penalties after data privacy trial | https://finance.yahoo.com/media-advertising/articles/mexico-... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49941293 | 1 comment"The jury returned its verdict on September 25. Judge Francis Mathew, who oversaw the trial in Santa Fe, will decide how much Meta must pay in financial penalties.Attorneys for Meta and New Mexico clashed at the hearing over how much was appropriate to order, with Meta arguing that the penalties the state was seeking don't match the conduct the state focused its case on at trial."Well, when the parties go to trial, they roll the dice," said Mathew. "They have to accept the consequences of their decision to go to trial, do they not?""1792108052 | Facebook Reels for PC | https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/facebook-reels-para... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50111919 | 1 comment1792115390 | Mark Zuckerberg Video Deposition, New Mexico vs. Facebook (October 2026) | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UC2ie0XIE | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50112818 | 0 comments1792606082 | Meta Ordered to Pay $25B for Deceiving Users on Privacy | https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/21/technology/meta-penalty-n... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50185129 | 3 comments1792606390 | Meta Ordered to Pay $25B for Deceiving Users on Privacy | https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/21/technology/meta-penalty-n... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50185196 | 5 comments1792606479 | Meta fined $25B for 'lies' over user data privacy | https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqdr8zxrr3dxo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50185218 | 2 comments1792610780 | Meta hit with $25B penalty for deceiving users about privacy on Facebook | https://nmdoj.gov/press-release/the-new-mexico-department-of... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50186215 | 2 comments1792613845 | Meta Reports Third Quarter 2026 Results | https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50187025 | 1 comment1792682061 | Court reduces Meta's fine from $219B to $25B | https://qazinform.com/news/court-reduces-metas-fine-from-219... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50196555 | 0 comments
1vuio0pswjnm7 · HN #50198223（在新分頁開啟）
How much is Cambridge Analytica going to have to pay? I'm all for ramming Meta, but I feel like they should be forced to pay the same amount.
tomjen3 · HN #50186363（在新分頁開啟）
$0. for better or worse, they have ceased operations and declared bankruptcy. I don't think NM would/could expect to get any money from a penalty. I may misunderstand how penalties and bankruptcy work, but I would expect it's been a better use of time to try to get $$$ from Meta than a defunct entity.
schwarzrules · HN #50186551（在新分頁開啟）
How much is a bankrupt non-existent company going to pay? You tell me..
paxy · HN #50190177（在新分頁開啟）
The Cambridge Analytica "scandal" is basically an advertising campaign for Meta itself. Their ad platform worked exactly as designed: it allowed creepy, microtargeted advertisements. Instead of dish soap, peptides, and dropshipped garbage, it sold a political candidate.Much worse is how Meta enabled a genocide in Myanmar.
ok123456 · HN #50185701（在新分頁開啟）
>Their ad platform worked exactly as designed: it allowed creepy, microtargeted advertisements. Instead of dish soap, peptides, and dropshipped garbage, it sold a political candidate.No? The scandal was that random "apps" (eg. quizzes) were able to scrape user and their friends' profile data. The expansion of that into ad targeting as a whole is just a retcon you're doing.> In the 2010s, personal data belonging to millions of Facebook users was collected by British consulting firm Cambridge Analytica for political advertising without informed consent.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...
gruez · HN #50186041（在新分頁開啟）
Ad campaign? We are lucky they didn’t make the settlement in “Meta Quest Cash” or “Ad Buy Credit”
whycome · HN #50185873（在新分頁開啟）
This is not a slap but a lick on the wrist.
system2 · HN #50192109（在新分頁開啟）
They were originally sued for, what, half a trillion?Pennies on the dollar.
lenerdenator · HN #50188357（在新分頁開啟）
New Mexico DOJ release: https://nmdoj.gov/press-release/the-new-mexico-department-of...
ChrisArchitect · HN #50187485（在新分頁開啟）
If they actually pay $25B, I'll eat my hat. Hell, I might even eat two of my hats
gib444 · HN #50187409（在新分頁開啟）
Diseconomies of scale.
ReptileMan · HN #50186276（在新分頁開啟）
Jury based punitive damages are constantly overturned because they are not legal experts and don't understand anything.Anyone who thinks Meta will actually pay this amount have no clue what they're talking about.
richwater · HN #50186059（在新分頁開啟）
The article says this was a statutory $5k per infringement * 43M counts, then reduced by the court. This was not a jury award.
advisedwang · HN #50186201（在新分頁開啟）
> While the full amount of the penalty against Meta, based on thousands of violations of state law, was calculated as $219bn, Judge Mathew reduced the penalty to the $25bn fine.umm when a thief steals and gets caught, we don't just punish them. We also recover what was stolen.They should also be made to delete all user data collected during the period, and pause similar data collection for x months/years even the ones that fall under their service terms. The price of wrong doing should be high, and for meta deleting historical user data is the highest form of punishment .Otherwise it's just cost of business.
devsda · HN #50186113（在新分頁開啟）
Are you proposing that as part of this settlement, Meta should have to delete the posts and likes and facebook accounts of users in New Mexico?
xyzzy123 · HN #50187962（在新分頁開啟）
They will likely not even have to pay $25B bc they will continue to appeal till they get a more favorable ruling
aprilthird2021 · HN #50186924（在新分頁開啟）